By Tanuj Kalia

First published on May 18, 2016. Updated on May 31, 2018.

A small piece of advice for CLAT aspirants: Please do NOT join the lower ranked NLUs (anything after GNLU/HNLU).

It’s better to join a good law college in Delhi or Mumbai (or even Bangalore and Pune) than study in the lower ranked NLUs.

The reason is simple and two-fold. One, in a city like Delhi or Mumbai you’d have something good (a conference, workshop, or a talk etc.) happening nearly every weekend. Attending these would help you improve your knowledge/skills, develop your overall personality/self, and build your contacts.

Also, because you’d have a good number of quality organizations (NGOs, law firms, lawyer offices, etc.) based in these cities, you can easily opt for after-college hours internships which will again build your skills/knowledge and your contacts.

The above will translate into more avenues for all-round development and gaining ’employ-ability mileage’ (skills, experiences, networking, etc.)

The situation at the bottom NLUs is bad on nearly all fronts (except for the fact that your peer group will be smart and hard-working).

The situation is bad specifically on 2 fronts:

1. The placements at ALL lower ranked NLUs have been dismal throughout the years. Please check the stats on LegallyIndia and BarandBench and do your independent research.

2. Faculty (generally speaking) is pathetic across the colleges (including in top NLUs with an exception of NLU Delhi).

A lot of people have argued “Give these colleges time. Even NLSIU took time to build“. However, this argument has been going for way too long with no visible sign of things improving.

Sadly, no new NLU (with the exception of NLU Delhi) has shown even a glimmer of hope.

Sorry for being pessimistic here. But as I’ve said, there’s an alternative.

You might, yet again, assert: “No. NLUx will do well because of the NLU tag“. Well, it might. But if you have to answer “Will it do well?” by analyzing the NLU history and making an educated guess about its future, the answer will be a clear NO.

PS- I have been watching the development of law schools closely since 2008 and the above is what my advice for my cousins and young friends would be.

PPS- About me: I graduated from NUJS in 2013. I run Lawctopus.com, a popular website for law students (you are here). My book ‘Law as a Career’ was published in 2015 by LexisNexis, a leading legal publisher.

UPDATE [June 1, 2018, 8.55 PM]

Based on the phone calls and comments we’ve received, here are some answers to the FAQs:

1. To find the good law schools in Delhi or Mumbai check out rankings by some popular magazines or the NIRF rankings. While these rankings are NOT to be trusted, the top 25-30 list will give you some idea about what good options could be.

2. The above advice does NOT apply to LLM programs. LLB graduates are best advised to get in touch with friends/connections who have done the LLM program from the concerned NLU.

If you are doing an LLM program for the NLU tag, the way ahead is pretty obvious: the more reputed the NLU the better. If you doing an LLM program for serious research, finding 2-3 great faculty members at a particular law school under whom you’d want to work under should hold you in good stead. Your quest then becomes finding the right faculty/mentor than finding the right law school (you can easily email/call these faculty members for a chat).

3. NLSIU Bangalore, NALSAR Hyderabad, NUJS Kolkata, NLU Delhi (not CLAT, but still), NLIU Bhopal, NLU Jodhpur, and GNLU Gandhinagar are top institutes. HNLU Raipur is good too.

If you are enamored by the NLU tag, you can consider MNLU Mumbai, RMLNLU Lucknow, NUALS Kochi, and NLU Odisha (versus these, I’d still advise going to a good college in Delhi or Mumbai, but still). For now, I’d strongly advise against going to NLUs other than these.

4. Some commenters have accused me of basing my advice on the ‘number of law firm recruitments’. Apologies if it comes across like that, but nothing could be farther from the truth.

I’ve personally and professionally (through Lawctopus) encouraged alternative (even non-legal) career paths. Delhi or Mumbai (like any other big city) offer you more avenues to explore a lot of things.

5. This advice won’t hold for true for those who want an alternative path. Some of you may want to work in rural regions or even explore living in a smaller place, and that’s great! There cannot be a one-size-fits-all piece of advice.

This post was first published on: May 18, 2016

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87 COMMENTS

  1. whatever tanuj is saying is absolutely true. i am afraid i cannot reveal my identity as some of my over zealous batchmates may abuse me here. i am from a lower ranked NLU and i passed out in 2017. i am one of the few lucky ones who got placed and that was solely due to some of my friends who got me an internship and due to my own efforts during the internship. my stupid college was more worried about attendance at that time. most of my batchmates are working for less than 30 thousand a month after spending lakhs. i plead with you all- do anything- BBA, BCom, BSc but don’t spend your parents hard earned money on an expensive LLB degree with little returns

  2. Hi. Your answer was really insightful . I would really appreciate if you answer one of my questions. Should I opt for Lloyd law college, Delhi or ICFAI , Dehradun. I’m really looking forward to your answer.

    • Hy Urvi, i am alumini of ICFAI Doon and also visited Lloyd Delhi. I suggest u to join Icfai because the faculty is very helpful and hardworking. But there is some issues in icfai, they are not organising to much event. But overall it’s best institution.
      best of luck!

  3. At the end of the day, it’s your own hard work that sets you apart. I have studied from the five-year law school of Panjab University and I completely loved my experience there. The best thing about traditional universities is that they are flexible. They don’t kill your creativity. They provide you enough room to try out different things. No doubt NLUs have more brand value, but they are not everything. If you are willing to work hard and make the most of your time at law school, you will shine no matter where you are. Having a good college may give you a jump start, but rest everything depends on your effort.

  4. I congratulate you for stirring the hornet’s nest. It is Interesting to note that your article has created an avenue for great arguments both in favor and against. As a university teacher who has 3 decades of teaching, guiding and research experience both in India and abroad I would like to share some of my few observations regarding the choice of the college one can make. The present CLAT admission model, to tell you frankly does not give you a fair choice to choose the kind of university you really want to study. In the case of my son who has scored 85% plus in legal aptitude, legal reasoning and English could not make it to one of the so-called top NLUs. But he has to go to a lower ranking NLU. If a descriptive type of question is added to the CLAT test probably he would have become one of the topers. Most of the top achievers stand to gain with their wrote memory. This is just one point of the sad story.

    Secondly, arguing that top NLUs have great faculty can’t be a universal truth. Each university will have its good share great, medium and average teachers. Therefore arguing that great teachers with great knowledge make great students is more a myth than reality. In my experience and understanding teachers with great understanding and acceptance of the students make greater teachers than the one with great knowledge.

    Thirdly, arguing that the location of a college gives the students greater advantage need not be true in the world of advanced internet communication facilities and ease of travel. A determined student can study and achieve what he wants to achieve breathing unpolluted air in a Rural college equally as another one in the top college in a very polluted unhealthy city.

    If you look at all the shining stars in the field of law today (be it great lawyers of the supreme court in the country or the judges of the High courts ) do you think they all are from NLU Bangalore or NLU Hyderabad? Definitely No. So is the case in the corporates today. The only advantage the top NLU students get is at the entry level. Some can sustain the advantage they get and be successful. But on the contrary many fail. This I have understood from the number of fresh recruitments the top corporates make each year. They recruit the same number of fresh graduates from top NLUs each year. Does it mean they have that many vacancies or the retention percentage of the graduates recruited by them after the first contract period are very less? This means either many leave the firms or the firms kick them out.

    The carpet ban on the recently started NLUs is a great injustice done to any institution. The private law colleges in the countries keep on spending millions of rupees on advertisements every year. But, they struggle to get enough admissions from good students. Many students who can’t make it even in the lowest ranking NLU’s go to these colleges. Then you can understand the kind of student population you have in these private law colleges. Hence, on any given day, the students getting admission to any one of the NLU’s are much better and well placed than the private colleges in any city in India.

    Therefore, my request for people who take up advisory roles in society please stop being judgemental and giving one-sided arguments. People like you should come out with positive suggestions that can help the low ranking NLU students who lost a higher ranking college by 0.25 marks so that these intelligent, hard-working students to stand a chance to compete with the graduates from high ranking city based NLUs.

    To conclude, at the end of the day what I find is a hard working above mediocre student is more successful in his profession and life than the top creamy layer from any university. This I say from my experience. The ones with above average intelligence are then ones who become more humane, ready to face challenges and overcome any hurdles in their life for the benefit of themselves and for the society.

    I wish to tell all the students who couldn’t make it to the colleges of their dreams, of top NLUs accept the reality and take it as a challenge, learn as much as you can, develop your abilities and look forward to a bright feature. One day you will reach the place that you deserve and dream. After all, at the end of the day, you can study in only one college, do only one job and can live only one life. Wherever you are trying to make maximum out of it.

  5. You speak of Lower ranked National Law Universities. I can tell you from my own experience having being in one of the lower ranked National Law Universities student and later at one of the top 3 National Law Schools student. I have interacted at several other non NLU students. One thing I can say is that the Non NLUs students what they suffer from is from lack of good peer group which means that if they want to do well or be ambitious I can very well say that they get pulled down by their batchmates, fellow mates.
    I had been a Teaching Assistant to one of the Law Schools in Eastern Region of India which is a Non NLU but has a very fairly good reputation at national level, while I found that the students were keen to learn what they lacked was the attitude and approach to learn. Meaning that none of them were serious towards their career instead blamed the NLU Students from taking away their opportunities. I lived with them in hostel and interacted and found none of them had very focussed goals.
    Next comes to the students of Low Ranked NLUs I found that none of the students ever blamed their compatriots of top colleges. They were eager to learn and were focussed in whatever they were doing never blamed anyone and worked hard despite lack of guidance. I found it especially in case of NUSRL,CNLU all of them were optimistic in spirit never ever displayed pessimistic attitudes.
    Now you spoke of internship round the year at metro based colleges, I want to ask how many students do it and does any of metro colleges permit it, None except for Mumbai Colleges where the timings have been altered for this purpose. In case of Delhi, Bangalore, Hyderabad and others none of the colleges permit it nor their timings permit it in any case.
    Next you speak of the good workshops and talk session being conducted in metro-based colleges. I have attended few of these and I can very well tell you that the content of these workshops and courses is really bad and the lectures at lower ranked NLUs are much better. Secondly they are prohibitively expensive to do on regular basis. In every aspect the guest lecture of Lower ranked NLUs can outpass the certificate courses and workshops of these so called metro colleges. In fact courses conducted by Lower ranked NLUs have much better content and instructors than so called metro colleges.
    Now comes the teaching, I can say that yes class room teaching at NLUs is not upto the mark which I mean world-class but definitely way better than Non- NLUs in most of the cases. What Non- NLUs do is that they brand the one or 2 faculty which hides the actual picture of their college.
    Next comes the placements scenarios, I agree that NLU placement is not good in fact dismal, But let me tell you chances of getting an off campus placement for an NLU student is much higher than that of Non NLU students even in a mid level and and boutique law firms compared to Non NLU students. I can tell you from my own experience that many of my seniors have got the jobs at top law firms simply by the name of college.
    Moreover placement scenario at Non NLUs is far worse than NLUs in fact in some way placement at NLUs have picked up.
    Moreover, In NLU as the admin has rightly said that one will get very hardworking students which is a fact-point and trust me peer-group matters a lot and a student learn more from his batchmate than the teachers.
    Last but not the least NLU tag matters the lot once you graduate and in long run that is after 20-30 years people will know you and respect you for being an NLU alumni than ones from say Amity, Jindal, Symbosis and likes(No offence to these college fellows as my best friend are from these colleges)
    At the end I would say that its your personal choice to choose a college, But remember one thing college is just not about placements,teaching etc, College shapes your thinking and opinion. So be careful while choosing your college lest you regret it later.

  6. The students make the university what it is, so if you’re ready to work hard with the attitude of not living the, “born with the silver spoon” attitude, then any NLU is good enough.

  7. I am not contradicting you, but what if someone wants to retake clat, and for the presents situation is getting a lower NLU, in my opinion it would be better he/she takes the lower NLU and then re-take clat.

    • Success in CLAT, like all big entrance exams, also depends on ‘luck’. So if you are in a low ranked NLU, and take CLAT next year and do not make it, you’ll be stuck in that NLU.

  8. By virtue of this article you are treating Lower NLUs as North Eastern part of India. By this logic no further NLUs should be opened because they are degrading the reputation of So called upper NLUs. This is not something peculiar to Law only this is there in every professional course be it Engineering or Medical, but it does not mean they will lower the professional course value.
    And law is not about getting a job in a reputed firm as per view.
    And if you want that everyone should listen you carefully and attentively stop post these shitty articles.

  9. Most of the NLUs are just like Private Universities. Fees are very high. Vice- chancellors are never aware about the problems of the students. They are dong only their job for their own. Chancellor is Chief justice of the High Court and not the Hon’ble Governer of the State. Chief Justice shows apathy towards the grievances of the students. Please beware of Low Ranked NLUs because only wastage of money and nothing. You will get good marks and grades in Central Universities and not in Low Ranked NLUs. They tries to fail the students.

    • Oh really I can very well tell you that fees of private law colleges are way higher than the NLUs. In fact NLUs fees are much less compared to IITs

  10. This article is valuable. Do not waste money of father/mother by joining Low Ranked NLUs. I have very bad experience. Central Universities are doing better at the cost of minimum expenditure of valuable money.

  11. I just have one question with regard to this post. I do not think anybody sane would argue that there is a lot of difference between the so-called ‘top-tier’ NLUs and the so-called ‘lower ranked’ ones. (I am saying so-called because till date no legitimate authority has ever ranked all the NLUs) Some of the comments got drawn into that debate, which is pointless in the context of this post at least. My only question is, what exactly is the basis of the claim made in this post that opting for a traditional/private college/university at a metro city is actually going to yield better prospects for a student rather than some of the ‘lower ranked’ NLUs? I have not seen any data advanced to establish that claim in the post or the comments. So far, the admin seems to have solely relied on his ‘experience with law students’ without giving any cogent data. And he cannot give it either, because most of the available data regarding placement/higher studies etc. is only available for the NLUs and not for those private/traditional colleges. So, even if we assume that ‘lower ranked’ NLUs are not probably an ideal place to be in, that by no means establishes the superiority of those traditional/private colleges in Delhi/Mumbai over them. Now, if the admin argues simply on the basis of lower fees of the traditional universities compared to even ‘lower ranked NLUs’, I can probably accept that logic, but it won’t work for private colleges too. I have no particular animosity towards the admin, he’s his right to give his personal opinion as much as anyone else. However, I find that opinion to be based on faulty premises due to the reasons mentioned above, that’s all.

  12. To all those who are going to read the comments below this one,

    A) If you are here seeking advice on where to go:
    Please trust the above post with blindfolds on. Truer words have never been spoken/written. As harsh as it may be, it is the fucking reality. The lower NLUs suck. Big time! I am from HNLU, and I feel grateful to Tanuj for including HNLU in the list of colleges that you should opt, but at the same time I believe that he is mistaken there. Even HNLU is not worth your time. Rampant corruption, good infrastructure, shittiest teachers of the world are some of the characteristics of the colleges below and including HNLU. It absolutely sucks. DO NOT go there. I say this from my own experience. You will spend half your nights in the college cribbing about all that’s wrong with your college if you don’t heed this advice now.

    B) If you are from a lower NLU
    Please stop fighting for a space to prove how your lower NLU is doing better than before. It’s hard for any of them to even attain 50% placements. There is no culture of research. What the hell exactly are you trying to pull off here? Point to one lower ranked NLU that is not marred by corruption and has consistently progressed since its inception. It’s not the admin that’s misleading the kids, it’s you. If you’d have followed lawctopus for long enough, you’d know that by now that they are in the business of doing the exact opposite of that. Understand that Tanuj’s opinion in this regard holds a lot more value because he is dealing with this shit day in and day out. So please, just let your keyboards rest.

    C) If you are Tanuj Kalia

    Thank you so much for this post. How I wish it had come out five years ago. And I think it is very patient of you to engage with the ultimate dumbass kids from the lower NLUs. You don’t have to. In fact, this goes on to argue against those who are trying to call out your ‘propaganda’, that this is a reckless post. Thanks again.

  13. Okay. Not joining any lower ranked NLU. Thanks for your advice. I looked into the links given by you. How are these lower ranked universities even allowed to continue? Mind boggling. You saved my career Mr. Kalia. Really appreciate the hardwork you put into this piece.

  14. I completely agree with this article as it show ground reality of lower nlus. Government are busy in opening more n more nlu, rather than to make existing better one. As in Maharashtra, there are 3 Nlu, after Mumbai what was need for Nagpur and Aurangabad. Instead of opening these they should make Mumbai better in term of infrastructure and all. Very few students graduating from lower Nlu got placement, remaining are suffering.

  15. I completely agree with this article, as it show ground reality of lower nlus. Those who are countering this article will get to know in just few years, so wait and if possible prove your arguments.

  16. The background and logic are really appricitable. To have best practical knowledge the path shown in this article is right. Also it illustrate the reality of law learning.

  17. I don’t understand how this argument can be made. I understand the location of the college is one of the aspects to be taken into consideration while choosing a college but cannot be the sole criteria to choose a college. Please DO NOT mislead the students here. I am from one of the lower ranked NLUs and I can say that my college is doing better than any other private college in Delhi/Mumbai. I am saying this because throughout my experience I have interacted with various students from these “colleges from Delhi/Mumbai”. They are not happy either and rather wish to be in a lower ranked NLU. It all boils down to your hard work. Colleges can only make a difference in boosting you and nothing else. So my message to the students is choose your college wisely. Do talk to the students from the respective college and be informed about all the pros and cons of the college. Not every college suits everyone. If you get to know the same from the students already studying, you will definitely be able to make a wise choice. AND DON’T GET SWAYED BY THIS KIND OF POSTS.

    • Since you are from a lower ranked college, your comment is probably ‘biased’. Please tell me which lower ranked NLU you are from and names of some great faculty members and/or the placement stats.

      • Really admin have you ever done ever ground level interaction with college students instead of relying through your college managers. leave aside lower ranked NLUs have you even talked about the students issues of top National Law Schools. Dont portray yourself as a messiah for the students

  18. I am a student of MNLU Nagpur. This guy never visited our University but still making tall claims. As a law student let me counter your points one by one
    1) Location- You said location is an important issue but NALSAR, NLIU, GNLU, HNLU are far away from cities and some of which are nearly about 100 km from the city so I don’t think they could attend your so-called weekly conference or anything so does that mean these universities are also not worth joining?
    2) And the point of improving skills or whatsoever you are talking about these workshops are held in the campus of MNLU Nagpur so that we don’t need to run for these training because we already paid for it in our fees.
    3) During semester time we are already busy with academics, non-academic, moots, research paper writing, projects, MUN Competitions, debates, parliamentary debates, conferences etc and the list goes on and on but according to you during even after doing all these activities you are useless if you are from a lower NLU. Quite interesting.
    ALSO ACCORDING TO BAR COUNCIL OF INDIA DOING INTERNSHIPS DURING SEMESTER IS PROHIBITED SO PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU ARE ADVISING IS AGAINST THE RULES.
    Also one can make plenty of contacts and whatever you are saying during the 2-month long summer and winter internship.
    3) Employability – This is the problem with most Indians placements everything to them. IITs have great placements but still not a single Nobel prize in 50 years.
    Also if only we are talking about placements look at the placements of NLU Odisha, RGNLU Patiala. Check the current numbers then comment.
    4) Well in MNLU Nagpur the faculty is quite competent according to me. And mostly the professors are from according to you ‘ the better NLUs’ also some are are from NUJS too. Check the university website

    I don’t know what you are talking about because I also visited the other so-called lower NLUs for moot and other competitions and I had quite a positive experience from them.

    STOP THIS USELESS PROPAGANDA! AT LEAST DO SOME EMPIRICAL RESEARCH BEFORE MAKING SUCH TALL CLAIMS.

    • My response is in bold.

      Since you are from MNLU Nagpur, your comment is probably biased. Being defensive about your own college and your own story is pretty normal. I have interacted with 1000s of law students in different law colleges personally, online, and on phone, and my resonses are based on that. It’s my job.

      1) Location- You said location is an important issue but NALSAR, NLIU, GNLU, HNLU are far away from cities and some of which are nearly about 100 km from the city so I don’t think they could attend your so-called weekly conference or anything so does that mean these universities are also not worth joining?

      These colleges were the first ones on the bandwagon, and thus had an advantage. Name any one NLU after HNLU which has made a name for itself?

      2) And the point of improving skills or whatsoever you are talking about these workshops are held in the campus of MNLU Nagpur so that we don’t need to run for these training because we already paid for it in our fees.

      Good for you. But the diversity of things you can do in a Delhi or a Mumbai, can’t be done in a residential college in Nagpur. It’s not just about the law, it’s about life.

      3) During semester time we are already busy with academics, non-academic, moots, research paper writing, projects, MUN Competitions, debates, parliamentary debates, conferences etc and the list goes on and on but according to you during even after doing all these activities you are useless if you are from a lower NLU. Quite interesting.
      ALSO ACCORDING TO BAR COUNCIL OF INDIA DOING INTERNSHIPS DURING SEMESTER IS PROHIBITED SO PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU ARE ADVISING IS AGAINST THE RULES.
      Also one can make plenty of contacts and whatever you are saying during the 2-month long summer and winter internship.

      I am not saying these actitivies are useless. I run a website which is the go-to website to know about such opportunities. I don’t know how you reached this conclusion.

      BTW, Bar Council of India is trash and incompetent. Such check what they do with the All India Bar Exam, and you’ll have your answer. See a post here: https://www.lawctopus.com/bcis-internship-notice-why-you-should-totally-ignore-it/

      3) Employability – This is the problem with most Indians placements everything to them. IITs have great placements but still not a single Nobel prize in 50 years.
      Also if only we are talking about placements look at the placements of NLU Odisha, RGNLU Patiala. Check the current numbers then comment.

      I have checked the current numbers, and then commented. The placements across the board are terrible.

      4) Well in MNLU Nagpur the faculty is quite competent according to me. And mostly the professors are from according to you ‘ the better NLUs’ also some are are from NUJS too. Check the university website.

      Good for you. Also, as I said, even colleges like NLSIU, NALSAR, NUJS have a pretty bad faculty overall (with the exception of a few super-stars).

      I don’t know what you are talking about because I also visited the other so-called lower NLUs for moot and other competitions and I had quite a positive experience from them.

      STOP THIS USELESS PROPAGANDA! AT LEAST DO SOME EMPIRICAL RESEARCH BEFORE MAKING SUCH TALL CLAIMS.


      You (since you are from a lower ranked NLU) would surely have some sort of interest! But tell us, dearie, why would we indulge in any sort of propaganda?

      • My friend attends rgnul and he said he has quite a positive experience. Although he is in his freshman year.

  19. totally rubish…..This article would surely mislead many guys.cracking clat need a lots of hard work n gettin g into any of the nlus is still a dream for many,but rather than going to these premier institutions,u r advicing students to choose any law colleges of mumbai/delhi that don’t even come in the list of top 20’s,and students need not to worry for these colleges,nor they need to work hard for it,they’ll accept u any way.hahaha this article could be awarded for the best joke of the century….
    p.s-students are adviced to stay away from these kind of misleading stuffs.

    • Even I agree this article is ought misleading in fact the one at Legally India s way better analysed and gives a true picture.

  20. Helllllo I am a student of bvp Pune ndd I m totally depressed after doing my 11nd 12 from Allen Kota Nd agn after 12 next year in mid session after requesting a lot to mi family I leaved Kota ndd started preparing for clat Nd then u managed to crack only bhu ilspune Nd bvppuneexam but after entering in bvp I never had satisfaction here. Sooo sirrr cnnnn u pls tell. Me should I prepare agn for clat or not my final aim is to crack rjs exam

  21. I have many doubts plz clarify it…..firstly I study in class 11 now I want to ask that how much I study to clear clat and sholud be placed in top 3 colleges I am very confused plz clear my doubts …

  22. Oh Tanuj-Come on.Such arguments don’t suit you.You belong to a so called “higher ranked NLU”,earned a good name for yourself and doing very well in the legal circuit.So why write (more often these days)such meaning less topics.You may rather put some more effort and write a book on say “How to make newer NLUs catch up the older NLus”or something like that.You see,the young confused minds are trying to argue with you not knowing the value that you add to the nation’s legal education.They are jealous of you-Don’t you think so?Cool my boy!Cool.

    • Well said sir. And i d like to add that not all the 100 students from Mr Tanuj’s batch would have become partners or court room geniuses. It all depends on ur own hard work. And also not everyone studies in a law school for a ppo.

  23. ok, im sorry but im tempted to add that top colleges do give a boost in your career . you see, any firm/person is likely to choose a student from nlsiu than from hnlu or the universities in the lower ranks .yes the charms of being in a top national college helps.it is also true that ultimately hardwork and perseverance are the last word but still when ppl generally tend to choose a nls of top rank than any other colleges

  24. Young Law students are suggested to read the following papers relating to legal education. These papers were published by Harvard Law School Centre on the Legal Profession.

    The Global Contest for Legal Education
    Link : http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2475758

    .. Prof. John Flood says .. P. 1 .. My thesis in this chapter can be stated as follows. From an empirical point of view there is an inexorable move in the world towards the “Americanization of legal education”, in the form of the widespread adoption of the JD degree over the LLB because of its perceived greater practice orientation. This shift is the result of three developments:

    1. Globalization and the rise of technology.

    2. The move from polycentric to monocentric modes of education and paths of entry
    into the legal profession.

    3. The re-professionalization of the legal profession as a result of the growth of the large law firm and new forms of regulation as in, for example, the UK and Australia.

    The main issue will be whether the Law Colleges or Schools are imparting training to have employable skills to young Law Students?

    After 10 years our legal profession is going to be changed due to globalization and science and technological advancement.

  25. It’s amazing how being from such an illustrious college such as NUJS, you have made such sweeping declarations on which colleges are good and which aren’t. Who even writes stuff like this, these days? The audacity is overwhelmingly funny. Like so many people have already pointed out, a lot of factors go into making a college whatever it stands for. But all of that stems only from what the students make it. And that happens through the students’ hard work. A college with good faculty and good infrastructure and good location will stand for nothing if the students aren’t doing well for themselves. And, I’ll repeat again, it comes only from the students’ work. All of these factors will not magically make the students good lawyers of that don’t work. Needless to say, worthy students will shine anywhere. I am not from a low ranked NLU myself. But I happen to know a lot of students from NUJS and NLUO, being from Kolkata, and I have never thought the students from NLUO to be any less than the students of NUJS in any respect whatsoever. In my interactions with them, I never felt Like NUJS had an edge or that the students from there were somehow smarter. If i didn’t know which college they were from, I wouldn’t know the difference. This is an isolated example, But whatever my limited circumstances have taught me, negates your opinion entirely. Please be more responsible in articulating your opinions because you have the power to influence more young minds than you seem to realize.

    • Tanuj has the habit of making himself look stupid by his irresponsible opinions.What does he mean by lower ranked nlu?and,if he thinks he is above others in making opinions on law school,then his articles are not worth reading.

  26. should I take admission in a lower nlu or first try and do my graduation and then try and have a crack at Delhi university amu or bhu for 3 yr llb as I have already taken a drop and completed 1 yr of bsc . can you advice

  27. Lol.

    Leaving some law firm aside, judges and other members of bench and bar don’t even know the distinction between NLU’s. All they know is the tag of NLU where some decent quality of knowledge is imparted to students in the country. Nobody in their speeches mentions, NLSIU, NALSAR etc, they mention NLU’s.

    Rankings given to NLU’s are according to their establishment year, no official authority has even given them rankings based on their performance. And being passed out from a so-called “reputed college”, I guess you know that you cannot place your opinions on something not authorized properly. And if you still do, I guess we know the kind of education you have been provided with by your college.

    Till now, there are no low ranking NLUs according to their performances. Only NLUs which are placed lower in orders or which are very new. That is it !!
    Had that been the case, they would have never asked students to fill in the preferences. Wouldn’t that have been obvious then that 1st would be get filled then 2nd nd 3rd nd so on?

    All those students who seek to fill their preferences need to do the background check of the college themselves. And next time please spare your empty opinions like these or else you would prove urself to be a bad entrepreneur as well and we law community members would not be that proud of you.

    • Yes, and soon, in their speeches, they’ll mention how bad some of the NLUs are.

      “Rankings given to NLU’s are according to their establishment year”. I don’t think you are in the know of much related to law schools.

  28. Hello Mr Tanuj kalia

    I must appreciate your website. It constantly helps many law students. It provides opportunities and knowledge to many. So i must say you have done a great work.

    But this kind of article by you is not expected. It is misleading for students.

    First of all NLU of a metro city is better because that city like Mumbai or Delhi gives better opportunity for internship, moots, or job opportunities in comparison to other cities. Say NLU of Ranchi won’t have that much opportunity for its students what NLU of Banglore or Delhi or Mumbai can give. But it is not fault of universities. For this students have to try themselves. And more struggle one student goes through is more beneficial for him because it is his own experience.

    I am not even from any NLU but many seniors from my college have served as justice to various high court and Supreme Court too and it includes CJ of SC.

    Not all the students of NLUs of Felhi Mumbai Banglore are successful. It is the internal talent and hardwork of a person which makes him successful in life.

  29. Hi.
    So, first of all, stupid post.
    Contesting something to just be your ‘opinion’ while knowing that your words are taken seriously by a lot of people and do have some authenticity (from people’s perception) puts you in a position of greater responsibility, where your statement despite being an opinion must have some valid logic behind it which I fail to see in your post.

    If you are talking about placements. Well, no younger NLUs have a strong alumni base yet, which being from a law school you would know plays a great role. Despite that, the students are doing exceptionally well and getting PPOs and jobs with reputed firms, this just shows that the college does help the student to be able to get a place for themselves. I am a student of NLUO and I can proudly say that my seniors are there in the best of firms and foreign institutions for LLM and are making good name for themselves.

    Also, placement is not the only criteria to judge a college. I see no substantial logic for you to comment on the quality of teachers. There are good and bad professors in every college and I am sure every student from every NLU will agree with me.

    Lastly, NLUs are about a lot of things, one of those thing is the fraternity of the NLUs and in all my internships I have seen that even the firms have higher expectations from us because that’s what the “tag” reflects; a commitment to legal education.

    I, in no way criticize the non-NLUs but to say that anything below HNLU is not worth it, well I myself preferred NLUO over HNLU (just one person’s judgment call) and I have never regretted my decision. I am proud of my alma-mater and not just because I belong to that place but because I know how hard every single student is working to make a place for the college.

    So, the next time you are giving an advice or opinion, make sure to take into consideration all the facets of the existing situation.

    • Hi,

      Please find replies in bold.

      Hi.
      So, first of all, stupid post.
      Contesting something to just be your ‘opinion’ while knowing that your words are taken seriously by a lot of people and do have some authenticity (from people’s perception) puts you in a position of greater responsibility, where your statement despite being an opinion must have some valid logic behind it which I fail to see in your post.

      People who see logic in the advice will take it. Those who don’t, won’t.

      If you are talking about placements. Well, no younger NLUs have a strong alumni base yet, which being from a law school you would know plays a great role. Despite that, the students are doing exceptionally well and getting PPOs and jobs with reputed firms, this just shows that the college does help the student to be able to get a place for themselves. I am a student of NLUO and I can proudly say that my seniors are there in the best of firms and foreign institutions for LLM and are making good name for themselves.

      When publishing such ‘stupid posts’ I don’t look at a dozen students who have done well in a batch of 80-160, but at the batch as a whole.

      Also, placement is not the only criteria to judge a college. I see no substantial logic for you to comment on the quality of teachers. There are good and bad professors in every college and I am sure every student from every NLU will agree with me.

      Where did I say that placements are the only criteria to judge a college?

      But yes, placements are an objective, dispassionate, neutral way to judge what sort of a product the college is producing.

      And this includes placements with litigators, law firms, policy think tanks, judiciary, LLMs.

      Lastly, NLUs are about a lot of things, one of those thing is the fraternity of the NLUs and in all my internships I have seen that even the firms have higher expectations from us because that’s what the “tag” reflects; a commitment to legal education.
      I, in no way criticize the non-NLUs but to say that anything below HNLU is not worth it, well I myself preferred NLUO over HNLU (just one person’s judgment call) and I have never regretted my decision. I am proud of my alma-mater and not just because I belong to that place but because I know how hard every single student is working to make a place for the college.
      So, the next time you are giving an advice or opinion, make sure to take into consideration all the facets of the existing situation.

      I do take all the facets into consideration. Thank you for the genius advice.

      • Regarding your comment on NLUO over HNLU; I preferred to choose HNLU over GNLU and so have many of my friends everyone have it’s own perception for which college they want to prefer just because I preferred HNLU over GNLU the value of GNLU has not decreased in the same way you choosing NLUO over HNLU will bring no harm to HNLU.

  30. Tanuj, is saal to rgnul me bache placements bhi le aaye and bade bade moots bhi jeet gaye.

    And curfew timings bhi bad gaye.

    AB kya chahte ho ki hum kya kare?

      • 1 at SAM, CAM, JSA,Wadia, Karanjawala and LKS.

        If i am not wrong, hardly 30-40 students sat for placements.
        Lot of other small to mid tier law firms. Bulk hiring by CAM TSG.

        Also llm at geneva for something related to international criminal law, cambridge for some popular business oriented course and nyu for ipr. Some cleared sc clerkship as well.

        Moots- Please check our college website. Kaafi hai. :p

          • TBH, there is a lot of difference. Anyway, your forest and their trees ka argument here.
            What I am saying is that if not better than HNLU, it is at least at par with them. My point- i dont see how you have classified low nlus the way you have and on grounds have you done that? Looking at the placement stats and mooting achievements, rml and Rgnul are way above nluo and nuals. An at least at par with hnlu. 🙂

  31. Hi Tanuj,

    Like many young law aspirants and law students in India even I have constantly turned to Lawctopus while charting out my career path. One cannot possibly doubt the reach Lawctopus enjoys with the budding lawyers immaterial of whether they are students of an NLU or any other institution imparting legal education in the country. I understand that this article is to an extent apt advice for CLAT aspirants although I couldn’t help but notice that your advice to law aspirants as such is restricted to CLAT, top/select NLUs and ‘good law colleges in Delhi or Mumbai’.

    Just last year, I happened to have a conversation with a young CLAT/law aspirant that left me absolutely appalled for the simple reason that in the half hour that we conversed, the girl repeatedly wanted to know whether by going to an NLU or otherwise she would get a six figure monthly salary once she graduates. Nothing else. Today, I know that this is the general mind-set of law (and especially CLAT) aspirants. We probably already know, or at least can make a good guess, as to how this has come about. Basically, these days there is no place for law in their minds when they attempt to go anywhere near an NLU and as a consequence the industry has already started facing the music.

    Isn’t it true that prior to 1980s India did not have any NLUs but that the country had already seen numerous legal stalwarts by then? Not all of them went to ‘good law colleges in Delhi or Mumbai’ either (the late Justice V R Krishna Iyer can be regarded as one such example). Why, many of them even held basic law degrees from across the border prior to Partition and I don’t think any of us can question the quality they brought to the profession, the heights they scaled or the success they tasted in their careers.

    My basic point – there is absolutely no substitute for hard work and the institution you graduate from is only of highly limited import in shaping your career.

    Law aspirants need to look not just at CLAT but beyond it as well. They need to identify their own interests, geographies and preferences, best alternative options, assess the faculty profiles, check the infrastructure and track record of the institution, get in touch with alumni, and the like before taking an informed decision as to which law school rather than blindly run towards what promotional propaganda feeds them. They need to understand that a person with the drive to succeed will succeed immaterial of which college/university they attend. What matters is the drive.

    Bests,
    Chinmayi

    P.S. – For anyone who might be curious about my background, I come from very humble beginnings, lots of blunders and with no godfathers or prestigious-institution tag. I graduated in 2013 as a student of the first batch of School of Law, SASTRA University in Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu and completed my LL.M. Finance from the Institute for Law and Finance, University of Frankfurt in Germany on a scholarship. As a law student in India, I had the opportunity to work with numerous top tier law firms purely on the strength of my track record and later with the Magic Circle law firm Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer LLP. This was followed by a wonderful stint as a Foreign Associate with the New York based law firm Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP.

    P.P.S. – You can be from anywhere and still achieve whatever you want to achieve. Sheer hard work is the key.

    All the best, guys! ☺

    • Thank you for the comment. Inspiring.

      Being outside Delhi or Bombay doesn’t mean you can’t be successful.

      But being in Delhi or Bombay just increases your chances of success (just like being in a top NLU does).

      • Being in Delhi or Bombay certainly has one advantage – the firms/certain litigation hubs are more proximate. Apart from that, it is actually no different anymore. So in terms of alternatives, I would suggest that people look for and wide rather than limit themselves in terms of geography.

        • So, Delhi and Bombay, being legal hubs, serve a purpose.

          Why should anyone, opt for, say, Chennai, logically speaking?

          • I’m actually surprised you even asked that question considering the fact that Chennai is a well known legal hub for anyone considering a career in litigation, IPR or even ADR these days. Please check your facts before trying to make an attempt at an argument.

            The legal sector is growing fast enough to be noticed across the country and not in just certain pockets. Besides, do consider the fact that CLAT provides access to maybe 2000 seats, what of the 68,000 odd others who choose law for a career every year? They deserve to know that even they can chalk out a good career even without an NLU or Delhi or Bombay based education backing them. Don’t undermine that.

    • This is the best advice which has soaring approaches in one’s view to overcome.. Tnx for ur motivation..

    • Thanks a lot for pronouncing the real challenges and how you can take it on your stride and succeed. I have given the same advice to my son too. I made him read your words and he is quite happy with the outcome of his CLAT results. He is ready to go to the college his rank gets him and do his best. Providing practical advice to young aspirants spring from the goodness of ones educated and well-cultured mind. Thanks a lot!

  32. Respected Sir,
    As you have stated that the argument, “Give these colleges time. Even NLSIU took time to build”, is going for way too long, i would like to refrain myself from upholding with your statement. Can you specifically enlighten us with exactly how many years, a NLU should take to grow ? I believe none can. When NLSIU or NUJS started there were only few NLUs all over India which gave them an edge over other traditional universities or any other law colleges which lack the curriculum that NLUs generally follow.

    So when these colleges trained their law student in a different approach and made them ready for the real world they were accepted in various law firms and other places due to their quality of education.

    I read in one of the articles written by Mr. Ramanuj Mukherjee who is also an alumni of WBNUJS, that the students need to fold up their sleeves and make their college better, no one else can do better than them. So, when students of NLUs like NLUO are working day and night to win moots, ADRs, getting internships in big law firms and even achieving to get placed there, I seriously cannot deduce how you put that argument.

    I believe as now there are 17 NLUs in India there is a tough competition between the students compared to what was there when there were only 2 or 3 NLUs. And also as those colleges started way back than the newer NLUs, they have a strong alumni (like you) which help them to get internship or placements. Though i am not doubting on the quality of the alumnus of NLSIU or NUJS as there were a less competition, but i am just trying to make my point.

    I hope i am able to make you understand what i am trying to say.

  33. Tanju, Humbly stating, I and any reasonable man won’t agree if you draw a line and rate NLU Odisha below a so called “good college in Delhi or Mumbai”.
    I am a daily visitor of your website but you are mistaken, i must say, should you choose to compare NLUO with colleges of Delhi and Mumbai. Please refer to our stats with regards to our ranking in moot court, ADR and other such competitions. Though, it may not sound huge when you be a little pessimist but please make the readers aware about the stats of this year’s Jessup (NLUO reaching R-16) and wait not just that … other numerous achievements in the bag which I can talk of and send the stats to you if you want 🙂 Please compare any college of Delhi and Mumbai, which you are referring, who are even close to NLUO. And we are just 7 YEARS YOUNG!

    Some progress for a new law school, isn’t it ?

    I just submitted my law school’s review 10 minutes ago. Please see and post it for the world to see it, tell me if there are colleges who are even near to ours!

    Please don’t under rate us… NLSIU and NUJS didn’t became what they are in an overnight!

    Again, all of this is very humbly stated. You’re free to consider or omit to do so 🙂

    • The post contains this text: A lot of people have argued “Give these colleges time. Even NLSIU took time to build“. However, this argument has been going for way too long.

      • You completely ignored everything else he had to say. Must be because NLUO has been continiously finishing above NUJS in the MPL these days. 🙂

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